I do not see any of your spectra there so why are you so concerned ? How do
you know the conditions were not met? Have you asked the observer Keith
Graham who's two spectra (out of 13) were used if he is happy for you to be
so indignant on this forum on his behalf?
Perhaps instead of attacking others efforts to promote the work of amateur
spectroscopists, you should be congratulating Keith and amateurs in general
on yet again making a small contribution to increased knowledge in this
We already know your views on open databases, Thomas but you are not a
spokesman for the amateur community. (The views of other professionals,
while of interest, is not particularly relevant here either since they have
different priorities to the typical amateur)
Personally I also find it sad that SASER has gone dark. Amateur spectrosopy
has only advanced to the stage we are at now through being open and sharing
data and experience.
You might be interested to know that the BAA now also has a spectroscopic
database to complement its database of over 100 years of variable star data.
It has similar conditions to the ARAS database which are already tighter
than most professional public databases.
From: Thomas Eversberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: [fg spektroskopie] Some critical words on databases
Link zum neuen Beitrag: http://forum.vdsastro.de/viewtopic.php?t=4549#p28468
Hi all, I just discovered this publication:
The data used are coming from ARAS database, as indicated in a footnote
on page 1. This very footnote leads to the database. On that page one
also can find the conditions for use of data in publications.
*/- The observers concerned should be acknowledged.
- Observers contributing a significant amount of data or whose data are
pivotal to the findings of the paper should be included as
Obviously the authors of the above paper did not take these conditions
into consideration. This already happened for another Nova Del
publication about two years ago. As a result, all amateur efforts are
potentially not correctly taken into consideration again. As some of
you might know, I am somewhat skeptical about such public databases
because professionals might not take necessary care when dealing with
such data. I do not need additional co-authorships because my
publication list is doing well, anyway. But as the person in charge of
the Teide campaign and responsible for the participants benefit it is
painful and inacceptable that people ignore guidelines and do not
mention the high motivation and large (financial) investments of
scholars and amateurs in their papers, especially if such people use
these papers for their own career.
The Southern Astro Spectroscopy Email Ring (SASER) recently decided not
to give their data to everybody but only to exclusive scientists who
agree with the SASER guidelines. I fully support this policy. This is
(again) confirmed by the present experience. If data guidelines are
important to single observers, I unfortunately can not recommend to
upload spectra to ARAS.
I would appreciate if some of the professionals in this forum give
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