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BeitragVerfasst: 13. Januar 2007, 11:51:16 AM 
In einer eMail vom 13.01.2007 06:55:12 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
Keith Schlottman:
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------ Start of attached email. Subject: [spectro-l] Alnilam Spectrum, 2 nights ------
Earlier this week I took a couple of spectra of Alnilam (Epsilon Orionis).
My intent was to use it as a flux calibration reference, but when I
processed it I realized that this is an emission star.

In comparing the two nights' spectra, I noticed that there was a slight
difference. The H-alpha emission is clearly stronger in the Jan 10 data
compared to Jan. 8, but on closer inspection it seems that the entire
spectrum on Jan 8 is subdued. I'd appreciate any help in understanding what
might cause this.

On the advice of Olivier Thizy I did double-check my sky subtraction (I used
IRIS), it appears to be o.k. (thanks Olivier!)

A couple of possibilities that come to mind are:

1. they were not taken at the same airmass, the Jan 10 data was higher
airmass (avg. 1.42) than the Jan 8 data (avg. 1.2). But this is a narrow
region at the red end of the spectrum. I tried to correct using vSpec's
Extinction function, that didn't solve the differences.

2. The moon was at a brighter phase on Jan 8 (~79% vs. 62% on Jan 10), and
had already risen for the Jan 8 data but was below the horizon for Jan 10.
But I thought sky subtraction would take care of most of that? Plus I was
under the impression that moonlight was not significant at H-alpha.

3. Maybe there was just poor conditions in the sky on Jan 8 and I didn't
realize it. But actually there were clouds in the sky on Jan 10 so I
thought that was the worse night, not the better one.

4. Maybe it's just noise or other error, two nights certainly isn't enough
to show a trend.

Does anybody have any other ideas, or comments on these possibilities?

I'll try to attach an image showing the spectra to this message in jpeg
format, if it does not come through you can see it at this link:

http://www.xanaduobservatory.com/type_b_stars.htm

Clear Skies!

Keith Schlottman

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Hi Keith,
Zitat:
------ Start of attached email. Subject: [spectro-l] Alnilam Spectrum, 2 nights ------
Earlier this week I took a couple of spectra of Alnilam (Epsilon Orionis).
My intent was to use it as a flux calibration reference, but when I
processed it I realized that this is an emission star.

In comparing the two nights' spectra, I noticed that there was a slight
difference. The H-alpha emission is clearly stronger in the Jan 10 data
compared to Jan. 8, but on closer inspection it seems that the entire
spectrum on Jan 8 is subdued. I'd appreciate any help in understanding what
might cause this.

On the advice of Olivier Thizy I did double-check my sky subtraction (I used
IRIS), it appears to be o.k. (thanks Olivier!)

A couple of possibilities that come to mind are:

1. they were not taken at the same airmass, the Jan 10 data was higher
airmass (avg. 1.42) than the Jan 8 data (avg. 1.2). But this is a narrow
region at the red end of the spectrum. I tried to correct using vSpec's
Extinction function, that didn't solve the differences.
The difference in airmass may be responsible for the different depth of
the feature near 6280 A Angstroem, which is partly of (terrestrial)
atmospheric origin.
Zitat:
2. The moon was at a brighter phase on Jan 8 (~79% vs. 62% on Jan 10), and
had already risen for the Jan 8 data but was below the horizon for Jan 10.
But I thought sky subtraction would take care of most of that? Plus I was
under the impression that moonlight was not significant at H-alpha.
Yes, sky subtraction should take care of that. You could check, however,
how much the sky contributes in order to see if errors in sky
subtraction could have a significant effect.
Zitat:
3. Maybe there was just poor conditions in the sky on Jan 8 and I didn't
realize it. But actually there were clouds in the sky on Jan 10 so I
thought that was the worse night, not the better one.

4. Maybe it's just noise or other error, two nights certainly isn't enough
to show a trend.
Since the HeI6678 line matches perfectly at the tow dates, it may well
be that you have no problem and that the Halpha variations are in fact
real. The Halpha emission is certainly variable in all hot supergiants,
although two nights is somewhat short for a strong variation. The
variations in the 6280 A feature could be explained by an atmospheric
effect.
Zitat:
Keith Schlottman
Best regards,
Otmar


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In einer eMail vom 13.01.2007 06:55:12 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
Keith Schlottman:

Earlier this week I took a couple of spectra of Alnilam (Epsilon Orionis).
My intent was to use it as a flux calibration reference, but when I processed
it I realized that this is an emission star.

I-
Komisch. Bei einer kurzen Nachmessung des Sterns heute Abend fand ich keinerlei Ha-Emission im gflatten B-Spektrum des Sterns (der mittlere Gürtelstern von Orion).

Lothar


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Habe gestern den Stern auch vermessen, aber noch nicht ausgewertet.......

Berthold


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Komisch. Bei einer kurzen Nachmessung des Sterns heute Abend fand ich keinerlei Ha-Emission im gflatten B-Spektrum des Sterns (der mittlere Gürtelstern von Orion).

Lothar
Berthold hat die Emission auch gefunden. Also muss ich sie übersehen haben. Klar, die Intensität ist mit F/Fc ca. 1,2 klein. Die sieht man nicht im Spektrenfaden, direkt auf dem Bildschirm nach der Aufnahme.

Lothar


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